Copy-written Very Super Big Round-Shaped Food Receptacle Game

[00:00:43] Speaker A: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Taxing poetic. I'm Tim Howe, your co host, along with. [00:00:48] Speaker B: I am Jenny Carter, the other co host. [00:00:50] Speaker C: Awesome. [00:00:50] Speaker A: And today we are going to be talking about our copywritten, very super big, round shaped food receptacle episode, thanks to our wonderful producer, JB. JB, how are you? [00:00:59] Speaker C: I'm pretty good. That's a mouthful. [00:01:02] Speaker A: That is a mouthful. Homage to the big game that is going to be coming up here in a couple of short weeks. Actually had some very interesting football yesterday. Good times. Watching a couple of the final games to identify who's going to actually be playing in the game. So Jenny's got her Taylor Swift support gear on. I can totally see. And she's a swiftie. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Yes, I am. It's Taylor Swift's boyfriend's team. Yay. [00:01:29] Speaker C: I really have no problem with them showing Taylor Swift. [00:01:31] Speaker B: I don't either. Why does everyone get upset? [00:01:33] Speaker C: They're not cutting away from, like. [00:01:34] Speaker A: Well, considering the fact that they showed Taylor Swift actually mouthing to the camera. Just go away. Yesterday during the game, I didn't see. Oh, yeah, yeah. They showed her, like, for the fifth time, and CBS was talking about the Grammys and she literally mouthed, just go away. [00:01:49] Speaker C: Yeah, she does it. It's not her fault. [00:01:50] Speaker B: I mean, like, I am here for all of it. They actually say that it's working with dads and daughters. Like, they're bonding together. I mean, football and Taylor Swift bring people together who doesn't like. [00:02:01] Speaker C: I agree. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Yes. So on that note, are you ready for my haiku? [00:02:05] Speaker A: I think we can absolutely enjoy your big game haiku. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Okay, let's do it. And if you need to bleep something out, JB, you know what to do to keep us from getting sued. Super bowl sales tax. Chiefs versus 49 ers. Do not tax my snacks. It touches on one of our topics we talk about all the time, which is regressive taxes. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:30] Speaker B: On groceries. [00:02:31] Speaker A: Yes. And taxing snacks. [00:02:32] Speaker B: So let me ask real quick, what is your favorite big round container game? Whatever it's called. Snack to have at those parties, obviously. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Checks mix. Hands down. [00:02:44] Speaker B: Good one. [00:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:45] Speaker C: It's just really buffalo Wings. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:49] Speaker A: You're a big wing guy. [00:02:50] Speaker B: You need wings. [00:02:50] Speaker C: Football. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah. You ranch or blue cheese guy? [00:02:54] Speaker C: I actually am both. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:56] Speaker C: Depends on the wing, really. It's like spicy wing. I like the blue cheese and it's like a sweet wing. I'll use the ranch. [00:03:01] Speaker B: Okay. Wow. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Living your life. [00:03:03] Speaker B: What a fancy palate you have. [00:03:05] Speaker C: I'm a fancy boy. [00:03:06] Speaker A: I'm blue cheese all the way. Man. [00:03:08] Speaker C: I mean, blue cheese is good. A lot of people hate blue cheese. Is very polarizing cheese. [00:03:12] Speaker A: In all honesty. It really is. [00:03:13] Speaker B: It really is. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Poor blue cheese. Gets picked on an awful lot. [00:03:16] Speaker C: Sure does. [00:03:16] Speaker B: If anyone cares, I like pizza. That's my favorite. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we didn't have pretty standard jenny. [00:03:21] Speaker B: I know. That's fine. I'm talking to two men. [00:03:24] Speaker C: So I'm used to add jenny to our apology list. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Finally. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Well, shameless plug, because I'm actually wearing my Seattle Seahawks gear and unfortunately, I. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Know, Tim, I was like, this is sad. You're wearing your poor Seahawks jersey to a Super bowl. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Lots of turmoil in the Seattle Seahawks fandom. So. Still waiting to figure out who our next coach is going to be. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Because your coach left. [00:03:49] Speaker A: That's right. Well, not on his own. [00:03:51] Speaker B: I know. [00:03:52] Speaker A: Not on his own terms. [00:03:53] Speaker C: The gum chewing industry is devastated. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Exactly. But anyways, so we're going to spend a little bit of time today talking through the participants in the championship games. A little bit of interesting stuff about the taxation in their state. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So all four states where the final teams came from. [00:04:12] Speaker A: That's exactly right. So we're going to talk California, Maryland, Michigan and Missouri. Not Kansas City, Kansas, but Kansas City, Missouri. [00:04:20] Speaker B: That actually had to be explained to me a couple of years ago. I thought Kansas City. The Chiefs were from Kansas City, Kansas. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Nope. [00:04:26] Speaker B: I know. So, I don't know, maybe. Is there a Kansas city, Kansas? [00:04:29] Speaker A: There is 100% of Kansas City, Kansas country. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Isn't that agree? So, yes. [00:04:33] Speaker A: Well, why wouldn't there be? If you think about it like Kansas City is, you think should be in. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Kansas, why would you split a city down a state line? Like, put a state line down the middle of a city? It is rather silly. So maybe there's someone out there today who just learned that. That the Kansas city chiefs are actually from Missouri. [00:04:50] Speaker A: There you go. [00:04:50] Speaker B: So you're welcome. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Just educated them. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:53] Speaker A: Good stuff. [00:04:54] Speaker B: All right, we're going to hop right into our latest quiz, pop quiz shot, and just remind everybody, in season one, apparently I lost by a very large margin to Tim, and so I'm hoping for better results this year. So, JB, let's bring it on. [00:05:06] Speaker C: First quiz of the year, see what. [00:05:08] Speaker A: Remind everyone of my excellence. That's exactly it. [00:05:12] Speaker B: That's why we're here. [00:05:13] Speaker A: That is every day. [00:05:17] Speaker C: Same prize. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Let's do it. Same prize. I think it's fantastic. Let's go. [00:05:22] Speaker C: All right, Jenny, come on. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Okay. [00:05:23] Speaker C: All right, Jenny's first question. Which of these states will not tax the soft drinks for your super bowl. Party. [00:05:29] Speaker B: Ooh. Will not tax the soft drinks. I'm going to say Missouri. [00:05:35] Speaker C: It's Michigan. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Did you know that, Tim? [00:05:38] Speaker A: I did not know that. [00:05:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:40] Speaker A: That's pretty interesting. [00:05:41] Speaker B: That is interesting. [00:05:41] Speaker A: No tax on carbonated beverages. [00:05:43] Speaker C: Yes. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Good stuff. [00:05:45] Speaker C: Good for them. I don't know if it has anything to do with, like, the cans you can recycle. Like, you get $0.10 in Michigan. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Let me tell you something. I've never understood why California has a homeless population issue. That they do. If I was a homeless guy, I'd be in Michigan collecting cans left and right. Too cold. [00:06:00] Speaker B: I mean, it is too cold. [00:06:01] Speaker A: Fair enough. It is pretty cold. But dude, hook it up. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Newman, Kramer. [00:06:06] Speaker A: That's exactly. They did the whole mail truck issue. They figured out the gas. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Hilarious. All right. Which two states will not, obviously from our list, which two states will not tax the catering services for your party? [00:06:22] Speaker A: I'm going to say California and Maryland. [00:06:26] Speaker C: Maryland is correct. But Michigan is the other one. Michigan loves a party. Michigan is letting you have a party. No problem. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:06:34] Speaker C: All right, Jenny, which of these states may not tax your cold party tray? [00:06:42] Speaker B: Ooh, my cold party tray. Let's see. [00:06:44] Speaker C: Tim knows, but I don't know why California. It is California. Why? [00:06:49] Speaker A: It's this whole goofy thing that we can get into that's called the 80 80 rule. It basically talks about, like, cold prepared food items to go. And if you're considered to be like a grocery store and if you serve them with utensils and if it's effectively, it's this law that was put into place to allow convenience stores and other stores that sell a lot of prepared food that are cold and ready to go from coming, like grab and go so they don't have to collect tax on that stuff. Whereas other stores where it could be difficult, where you sell a mixture of items that could be non taxable versus the predominant amount of the items that you sell are taxable, you fall within the 80 80 rule. So 80% of the items that you actually sell are greater than 80% are taxable, then you can tax 100% of them. So like a restaurant that sells cold gallons of beverages to go that are non carbonated, which would normally be exempt, you can actually collect tax and make it easier for your POS system to be set up and so you don't have to deal with the conflicting rules of, oh, is this non taxable because somebody's taking it to go or eating it here if it's taxable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:07:58] Speaker C: So it is actually easier for. [00:08:00] Speaker A: It's easier for restaurants to administer the tax law and set up their POS systems if they can qualify for the 80 80 rule. [00:08:08] Speaker C: Should everybody do that? [00:08:10] Speaker B: I know. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Sounds great. Most restaurants do actually do that. There's tests to actually do for it and check and make sure that you fall within the guidelines of the 80 80 rule. But at the end of the day, most people want to abide by the 80 80 rule because it makes your tax administration a lot easier. [00:08:26] Speaker B: 80 80 is kind of misleading. That sounds like 160. [00:08:29] Speaker C: I think we did a little bit on 80 80, and we were like, it's really 80 80 20, but figured out that wasn't right. [00:08:37] Speaker A: It's weird. [00:08:38] Speaker B: So what you're saying is the vegetable dip tray I'm bringing that will go untouched during the party. At least I'm not paying sales tax on it. [00:08:44] Speaker A: That's exactly right. [00:08:46] Speaker B: The carrots and celery. [00:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah. You're turning around and making people feel good about. Exactly. Nobody wants us to eat healthy. [00:08:52] Speaker C: How about dry broccoli? [00:08:54] Speaker B: Oh, seriously? [00:08:55] Speaker C: Dry broccoli. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Dry broccoli and, like, a snap pea. Like, who wants to eat a snap? [00:08:59] Speaker C: I like a snap pea. [00:09:00] Speaker A: I'm a big fan of a snap pea. And the broccoli, to be honest. [00:09:03] Speaker B: A raw one, though. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Yeah, raw broccoli is awesome. [00:09:06] Speaker B: I love a steamed snap pea, but a raw one. Okay. All right. I'm bringing you a dip tray. [00:09:11] Speaker C: They're called sugar snap peas. They're sweet. [00:09:12] Speaker B: I'm a fan. [00:09:13] Speaker A: I'm a huge fan. [00:09:14] Speaker C: Anyway, okay, that was Jenny, and then Tim explained why. Yes. Okay. For Tim, which of these states generally taxes admissions? [00:09:24] Speaker A: Oh, my know. [00:09:27] Speaker B: I know. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Hold on. [00:09:28] Speaker B: You can't google it. [00:09:29] Speaker A: No, I'm not googling. [00:09:30] Speaker B: What are you doing? [00:09:30] Speaker A: I'm not doing it. [00:09:31] Speaker B: Get off your laptop. [00:09:32] Speaker A: I'm not on my laptop. I'm going to say California generally taxes admissions. [00:09:37] Speaker C: No, Jenny. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Maryland. [00:09:39] Speaker A: No. [00:09:39] Speaker B: What? [00:09:39] Speaker A: Missouri. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Missouri. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Missouri. Yeah. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Admissions? Sales tax returns. That's crazy. Noah. Tim, when you say. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Your fingers all over the keys, that makes me think. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Not googling. [00:09:53] Speaker B: I know. It's like a trivia night. You have to watch those. [00:09:56] Speaker A: Me? [00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:09:58] Speaker C: Okay, Jenny, which two states exempt the vitamins supplements you will need to recover the next day? [00:10:05] Speaker B: I got to go with California again. [00:10:07] Speaker C: You would think there's two of them. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Oh, that was just two of them. Sorry. So not California. So that's good to know. Let's do Michigan and Maryland. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Oh, she got it. But no help at all from anybody. [00:10:18] Speaker B: That was zero, two, nothing. [00:10:20] Speaker A: I find that as a rebound type question, and I am objecting. [00:10:25] Speaker C: She still needed to get both. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Can I throw the replay flag? I'm going to throw the replay flag. I want to challenge. [00:10:31] Speaker C: I don't. [00:10:32] Speaker A: She said California. And then you were like, you would think there's two. [00:10:38] Speaker C: That doesn't sound familiar to me. [00:10:40] Speaker B: I don't know what you're talking about. [00:10:42] Speaker A: We'll let one of the users call in and say Jenny was wrong. It's totally fine. [00:10:47] Speaker C: Okay, Tim, which state does not tax gifts or promotional items? Free tickets, free jersey gifts. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Oh, that's a tough one. [00:10:56] Speaker A: I will say Maryland. [00:10:58] Speaker C: Maryland is you. Yeah. [00:11:01] Speaker A: How'd you get there? In all honesty, I guessed. I literally pulled it out of the hat. [00:11:05] Speaker C: Do you think it's just mean of the way that. [00:11:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:10] Speaker C: What? [00:11:13] Speaker A: I had zero thought process and round any of that. I just turned around and said, you know what? Look at a state that you don't really know a ton about their sales tax law. And I was like, I picked one. [00:11:23] Speaker C: I wonder if it's something I know. [00:11:24] Speaker A: For a fact, like Michigan and Missouri, when I'm thinking about giveaways. And I've dealt with issues in those states regarding giveaways and the taxation of those. [00:11:33] Speaker C: So you got to eliminate those. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Yes, but there was some thought process. [00:11:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Process of elimination. [00:11:38] Speaker C: I wonder if it's something like when we were talking about our gambling episode and we're talking about New Jersey and Vegas and how they give things away. But Maryland is. I mean, it's close up there. It could be just upset. They could have a casino. We don't know. [00:11:55] Speaker A: You know what? Yeah, maybe. [00:11:57] Speaker B: But let's just bring this all back to a close in the fact that I think I have two points and Tim has one. [00:12:04] Speaker C: Get. [00:12:05] Speaker A: You could. [00:12:05] Speaker C: There's another question. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Okay, go. [00:12:07] Speaker C: There are seven questions. 123-4567 could this be like bonus question? [00:12:13] Speaker B: Yes. Or sudden death. [00:12:15] Speaker C: Whoever says it first. So question is for both of you. We have a sudden death question. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:19] Speaker C: Which state taxes the Social Security services needed for Taylor Swift to watch? Kansas City. [00:12:25] Speaker A: California. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Michigan. [00:12:27] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I guess. Keep going. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Missouri. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Maryland. [00:12:34] Speaker C: And Maryland wins on the fourth guess. Oh, my goodness. [00:12:39] Speaker A: No points will be awarded. Can you describe that? [00:12:43] Speaker B: What was the question? [00:12:45] Speaker C: Which state taxes the security services? [00:12:48] Speaker A: I thought you said Social Security. [00:12:50] Speaker B: I think you said Social Security. I was like, Social Security. [00:12:56] Speaker C: Amazing. So thank you, Donna, for the bonus question that I didn't read right, that then nobody guessed right. [00:13:03] Speaker A: And then taxes Social Security Administration. Why does Taylor Swift need Social Security at 30 something. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Yeah, she's poor. [00:13:12] Speaker C: Honestly. She could be technically retired and just still work. [00:13:17] Speaker B: That's true. [00:13:17] Speaker C: She's hit the financial threshold, I'm sure. Amazing. Okay, so obviously no points be awarded for a bunch of reasons, but with the state. So the tax. Security services. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Security services. [00:13:30] Speaker C: So that's just like, you hire a bodyguard and. [00:13:33] Speaker A: Bodyguard. Or you could have home security, or you could have a security at a concert or anything like that. Yeah. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:13:41] Speaker C: You're the only one who taxes that. So is that. [00:13:43] Speaker A: There's a few states tax. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Of these four states, it sounds like. No. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:46] Speaker C: Is that a weird thing to not. [00:13:51] Speaker A: Mean? It depends on the jurisdiction where if they specifically enumerate the service to be taxable. So, in a lot of jurisdictions. I don't know, maybe there was a reason that Maryland decided to have an enumerated security service. But. Good question. [00:14:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that was an awesome quiz. [00:14:06] Speaker A: Maybe it has something to do with their proximity to Washington, DC. [00:14:11] Speaker B: Politicians. [00:14:13] Speaker C: I bet there's a ton of them in that area. And they're like, look, we're missing out a huge revenue. [00:14:17] Speaker A: That's exactly it, dude. [00:14:18] Speaker B: Good point. [00:14:18] Speaker C: You're right. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Yep. [00:14:20] Speaker B: Well, I just want to thank you, Taylor Swift, for letting me channel your energy to win that quiz against him. [00:14:25] Speaker C: Congratulations. Great job, Donna. That was a good quiz. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Let me show you my excited face. [00:14:30] Speaker B: Let me show you my face of. The Seahawks are not in the Super bowl. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Well, congratulations anyways. [00:14:35] Speaker B: I know. [00:14:36] Speaker C: Okay, let's take a break before we move on to our next segment. [00:14:40] Speaker B: All right, we're back from break and we're going to get started on our states discussion. And we're going to start with the loser states, the first one being Maryland. [00:14:49] Speaker A: That's a little harsh. [00:14:50] Speaker B: I know. [00:14:51] Speaker A: A little too soon calling them losers. The guy's right on the list. I mean, dude, poor Lamar Jackson is just like, ow. Man, that just hurt. What just happened? [00:15:01] Speaker B: I'm sure he's listening to this. He's very. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Of course he is. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Yes, I'm sure. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Very into it. [00:15:06] Speaker C: Friend of the show. [00:15:07] Speaker A: That's exactly right. [00:15:08] Speaker B: So. Okay. Sorry. From the people who did not win. Is that better? [00:15:11] Speaker A: There you go. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Will they stop crying now? [00:15:13] Speaker A: Oh, my. This is not me. This is coming from a Taylor Swift fan that has no vested interest in football. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Apparently, I have a very big vested interest in football because it is her boyfriend. So, yes, I know. I am here for the love story, people. We need something good in our lives. Okay, Baltimore. Let's get back on task, people. Maryland, a $5 per month. Fee on sewer bills. Oh, septic systems. This is fun. Okay, Tim, tax poetic about this a little bit. [00:15:47] Speaker A: It's apparently something about the Atlantic coastal Bays restoration fund it had to deal with, like the Chesapeake Bay, but it looks like they actually impose a $5 per month fee on sewer bills and $60 annual fee on septic systems. So congratulations. You have extra people over at your house for the gigantic fish tank game. Apparently you're going to have a couple of extra charges slapped onto your water bill to have all those extra people there. So very nice. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah, so don't serve a lot of cheese either, I guess. No people over for the game. [00:16:19] Speaker C: Can you swim in the Chesapeake bay? [00:16:21] Speaker A: Can you swim in it? Yes, I'm pretty sure you can. Okay. To the Google, 100%. I guarantee you that it's safe to swim in it. I mean, you're eating crabs out of it. [00:16:31] Speaker C: As the summer heat kicks in, the Chesapeake Bay becomes a great place to cool off. [00:16:35] Speaker A: There you go, man. [00:16:36] Speaker C: Is it the safe water? [00:16:38] Speaker B: Is it like Kramer swimming in the Hudson Bay with all the trash and dead? [00:16:44] Speaker C: Like, it's a very long, and I'm bored now, but I'm going to go with probably not. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:16:51] Speaker C: It's too long. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:16:53] Speaker A: There's a lot of stuff that says that. Oh my gosh. [00:16:57] Speaker C: And they haven't quite answered it yet. So I was just trying to see if the taxes were going to something like helpful. Maybe it is, right, because they're trying to clean up the Chesapeake Bay. [00:17:07] Speaker A: I mean, I do know that years ago the Chesapeake was probably one of the most highly polluted. [00:17:12] Speaker B: Well, there you go. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Waterways in the United States. [00:17:15] Speaker B: I think it's good if you live near water, that it's clean. So maybe $5 is a good investment. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree. [00:17:22] Speaker C: Okay, so $5 for a sewer bill. [00:17:24] Speaker A: $60 for a septic system, for annualized on septic. [00:17:27] Speaker C: How many times does a kind of a tax law like this have a singular sort of reason behind it? [00:17:35] Speaker B: They pass them from time to time, don't they? Like the know, I mean, when you're. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Talking about admissions taxes, most of them go to fund stadiums. And what Jenny just said about pifs, property improvement fees, they go for specific neighborhoods, specific developments, development authority taxes. You got a bunch of stuff. I mean, it happens quite frequently. [00:17:57] Speaker B: They sell it on, it's good for your city. Right. It promotes tourism revenue, all that good stuff. [00:18:01] Speaker C: Most sales taxes have a then, I mean, it happens a lot. Do a lot of different sales tax have an end date, sunset date? Yeah. [00:18:11] Speaker A: No, Georgia where we're sitting is a great example. There are specific exemptions that they tend to like. The state has started doing what they call like twelve month tests of exemptions. So hey, we're going to do a nonprofit admissions tax exemption for twelve months, and they're going to see how much it actually impacts the tax collection revenues. And then what they'll do is they'll bring it up for a vote for a permanent extension, or maybe they'll extend it for ten more years and then they reevaluate it. The problem that you have is if states don't put sunsets on exemptions, a lot of those exemptions will just sit there forever and people will forget about them and they just keep piling exemptions on exemptions on exemptions and stuff like that. And then ultimately it becomes a little bit of a legislative nightmare to keep up with it. But at the end of the day, I will say a lot of states don't have sunset dates on tax exemptions or for sales taxes, period. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So back to Maryland. I just wanted to touch real quick on the Maryland digital advertising tax, like Donna's favorite topic. So that's just been a recurring theme we've had to apologize for in this podcast. Right, Tim? Because we don't like it. [00:19:19] Speaker A: That's exactly right. [00:19:19] Speaker B: And we thought it'd be repealed. Right. And then it wasn't. [00:19:22] Speaker A: That's right. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So they pass a tax on whatever, what, print media, but also digital media. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Digital goods. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Is that correct? Yeah. Digital advertising. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah, digital advertising. [00:19:33] Speaker C: Did that make our top ten? [00:19:35] Speaker A: No, it's just digital goods in general. And the taxation of goods, I think, is what was on the listen to. [00:19:39] Speaker C: The top ten episode. There's a lot of things we hate in that. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. No, this is one of them. I don't know if it made the top ten, but it's related to Maryland and the losers, the ravens. Okay, speaking of losers, Detroit. So Michigan again, we feel bad for Detroit. We love you. So please don't send us any hate mail. But. Okay. So going back to food, like many states, Michigan taxes prepared food, but not unprepared food. And the law goes into detail about how to distinguish the two. So if you buy hot popcorn at a concession stand, it may be taxable because that counts as prepared food. Right. But a bag of chips isn't because it's in the bag, it's not prepared. [00:20:21] Speaker A: So unless it's sold with a heating or sold heated or with a utensil. So, like, I guess if you would. [00:20:27] Speaker C: Have like keep it popcorn. If it's heated popcorn, but if it's bagged popcorn, it's not. [00:20:33] Speaker A: That's correct. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Right. What about my salad? What if I just ate my salad with, like, my face and no utensils? [00:20:40] Speaker A: You typically eat your salad with your face. Right. [00:20:43] Speaker C: So normal eating. [00:20:45] Speaker A: I don't know how else you would. [00:20:46] Speaker B: Eat your salad without a fork, is what I'm saying. [00:20:50] Speaker C: I like to put my salad into my mouth. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Not in your nostrils. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Exactly. My ears. I mean, I guess they're all connected. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Same. [00:21:02] Speaker B: So anyway. Yes, so soup. I mean, what if I want to drink my soup and I don't want to use a. [00:21:09] Speaker A: There's some really inventive ways that I think that people have tried to get around prepared food, taxes, and not having utensils and stuff like that. Look, at the end of the day, if you're selling something that is being made ready and for you to consume at its point, that's what they're trying to say. It should be taxed. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Got it. Okay. All right. Michigan. That's cool. We're cool with that. So should we move on to our two winner states? Winner, winner. Chicken dinners. [00:21:34] Speaker A: There you go. [00:21:35] Speaker B: Yes. Chicken dinners for our Super bowl parties. So let's go to Tim's favorite state, California. [00:21:40] Speaker C: Talking about California and winning and taxes on the same. [00:21:43] Speaker B: I know. Are you about to burst into flames? [00:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Especially since we're talking about the team that's from there that will remain nameless, because I refuse to have that name come out of my mouth. [00:21:50] Speaker B: I know you were very upset about that last night. [00:21:52] Speaker A: Not a big fan. [00:21:53] Speaker B: I know. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Yep. Not a big fan of the. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Well, let's. Let's talk about their taxes and do we not like them for other. [00:22:05] Speaker A: You know, it's pretty interesting when you look at California, and I actually didn't know this. Donna brought this up. California military personnel can actually purchase alcohol without paying sales tax. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Did you even appreciate that when you were in the Navy? [00:22:16] Speaker A: You know what? I don't think I really took a lot of advantage of it. [00:22:19] Speaker C: Maybe you didn't know. [00:22:20] Speaker A: I didn't know. Well, I mean, when you buy stuff on the PX, which is the Navy exchange, you don't typically pay sales tax on anything there. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:28] Speaker A: And you got the two largest military bases in the United States, with Camp Pendleton and 32nd Street Navy station being there. You don't really think about that stuff. [00:22:35] Speaker B: When you go to buy a six pack now, are you like, oh, I wish I was back in the days when I was in the Navy. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Well, yeah, because a six pack of beer, when I was back in the day of the Navy does not cost anywhere near what it costs today. [00:22:44] Speaker C: 1499 for four pack. [00:22:47] Speaker A: That's exactly it. [00:22:48] Speaker C: Hell's going on, dude? [00:22:50] Speaker A: Do you mean like, $12 for a pack of shiner? Like, what? [00:22:54] Speaker B: The water came from icelandic glaciers that were melted using special marketing sun globes. [00:23:04] Speaker C: Couple in Pittsburgh put it, filled a bottle, and shipped it. [00:23:07] Speaker B: All right, so everybody in California, hook up with someone you know, that's in the military. Get your alcohol for the big game. [00:23:16] Speaker A: That's right. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Without paying sales. [00:23:18] Speaker A: Without paying sales tax on. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Yes. And then. All right, what else? In the golden State, fresh fruit brought from. Bought. Sorry. From grocery stores is tax exempt. I'm not surprised about that, are you? Oh, my goodness. But when it is bought from a vending machine, it is subject to an additional 33% of sales tax. [00:23:35] Speaker C: Probably them just trying to not put fresh fruit in vending machines. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Who the hell buys an orange out of a vending machine? [00:23:42] Speaker C: Or even, like, you ever seen a banana? Things last an hour and a half. [00:23:46] Speaker A: You know what it must be like, those hospital vending machines. Like, have you seen the creepy crap that you can buy out of those? Right? I mean, there's some weird stuff, like, who buys an egg salad sandwich out of a hospital? [00:23:57] Speaker B: Like, chevy Chase, who buys a sandwich from a gas station? [00:24:00] Speaker A: That's exactly. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Who buys a sandwich from a vending machine. [00:24:03] Speaker A: There's a lot of people who do. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah. About an avocado. I mean, can you imagine an avocado in a vending machine? I mean, I can't even eat that. Yeah. I bring it home from the store, and it's bad. There you go. Yeah. So, yeah, stick to grabbing that candy bar from the vending machine and buy your fruit from the supermarket instead. [00:24:20] Speaker A: That would be awesome to watch somebody go in with, like, a gigantic platter and just start buying fruit out of a vending machine. Congratulations. [00:24:27] Speaker C: Just wanted this to be more expensive. [00:24:28] Speaker A: And gross and groceries just to make sure that people really don't eat the fruit. It came from St. Joseph's hospital's vending machine near the cafeteria. [00:24:38] Speaker C: It's caused 33% more, and it's very. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Gross, but they're like, well, we saved sales tax on our six pack of beer from Uncle Jack in the navy buying it at the base. [00:24:49] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:24:51] Speaker B: So everyone comes out even on that one. [00:24:52] Speaker A: That's rare. Do. [00:24:53] Speaker B: All right, so last state, our last winner state. It's not Kansas, remember? It's Missouri. [00:24:58] Speaker A: That's right. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Most people do know don't I'd beg to differ. [00:25:03] Speaker C: Oh, man. No. Call in and I want to hear from each person. And if there's any people that did not know that, wait for everyone. I'll give Jenny. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Yeah, and you know what? Spiky McFootball face is going to call in and absolutely destroy Jenny over this. [00:25:17] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. Are we talking about people not knowing that the Kansas City chiefs are from Kansas City, Missouri? I'm thinking no. [00:25:26] Speaker A: I would easily venture to guess that 75% to 80% of the people that would call. [00:25:31] Speaker C: We're just going to do it. [00:25:32] Speaker B: All right. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Do a company poll. [00:25:33] Speaker B: No, we need to put a poll on the website. [00:25:35] Speaker C: Works at the company. [00:25:36] Speaker B: And you have to be truthful on this. I'm saying I know it now, but I did not know it. I don't know when it was, but I was like, oh, they're not in Kansas. Okay. [00:25:45] Speaker C: Anymore. [00:25:45] Speaker B: That's confused. Yeah, that's a whole other. Anyway. Oh, my gosh. I need to talk about this one. So this is the fun research you came up with from Missouri. In 1820, Missouri passed what they called a bachelor tax, charging single men between the ages of 21 and 50. An annual tax of $1, the equivalent of $23 today. And it was originally intended to encourage young men to settle down. The law is still on the books today, though. It's no longer enforced. I think that is so amazing. [00:26:17] Speaker C: Enforce it. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Maybe that's why. [00:26:19] Speaker C: Get a letter in the mail. You owe us $23. [00:26:22] Speaker B: That's what loser Travis Kelsey is obviously still a bachelor in the city of Kansas City, Missouri. So no wonder he's settling down. He doesn't want to pay $23. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I know. [00:26:32] Speaker C: I love it. [00:26:33] Speaker B: So, yeah, that is amazing. I love that. [00:26:35] Speaker C: Tim, you ever heard of that before in here? [00:26:37] Speaker A: No. And I have been rendered speechless. [00:26:40] Speaker C: Well, do you have any clients in Missouri? [00:26:42] Speaker B: Oh, of course. For sure. [00:26:44] Speaker C: Please put this on a return. Do something. And be like, are you guys paying your bachelor tax? [00:26:50] Speaker B: Paying your bachelor tax? [00:26:51] Speaker C: The what? [00:26:52] Speaker B: I'm just saying to all you Kansas City Chiefs players out there, you bachelors, just give me a call so you don't have to pay your tax. Good. [00:27:00] Speaker C: That's amazing. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Go chiefs. Let's double date with Taylor. [00:27:04] Speaker C: We should look into tax laws that are still on the books that are no longer enforced. [00:27:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:10] Speaker C: I bet there's a lot of these. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Oh, dude, there's a bunch. [00:27:12] Speaker C: And I bet there's some that are fairly recent or that maybe they could bring back. So I think that might be something cool to look into. [00:27:20] Speaker B: I would love that. [00:27:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:21] Speaker B: We could do a great. [00:27:21] Speaker A: They charge, like, an extra three cents of ice cream or three cents per scoop of ice cream in Juneau because salmon don't eat ice cream or some crap like that. I mean, I'm sure there's some wacky, like, goofball laws. I mean, I completely made that up and I guarantee you. [00:27:34] Speaker B: I know. I was like, wait, what? [00:27:35] Speaker C: I wasn't sure. [00:27:37] Speaker A: I was like, maybe there's some. We should do weird laws. [00:27:40] Speaker C: We can do true or false, and I'll just read did I make it up or is it. That's great. [00:27:46] Speaker B: I love it. [00:27:47] Speaker C: So if you're wondering how our podcasts get done, you just got a behind the scenes look. And that is how we come up with segments. [00:27:53] Speaker A: There you go. [00:27:53] Speaker B: How we plan episodes. But Missouri, I think you win for the best law on this episode because that is great. Again, bachelors of Missouri, give us a call. [00:28:03] Speaker C: All right. So we do have a couple apologies, Jenny, for not asking what her favorite food was and just moving right on with the conversation. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Me and Tim, like, I'm not even here. [00:28:14] Speaker C: I know. And it was your question. [00:28:16] Speaker A: It was. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Guy 101. They ask a question, ask it back. Yes, everything is fine. Donna, for me, reading the quiz question the wrong way, it's my first apology. [00:28:27] Speaker A: I think you're looking forward to Social Security. [00:28:29] Speaker C: I'm very Social Security. [00:28:30] Speaker B: You need to apologize to the Social Security Administration. [00:28:32] Speaker C: I mean, apologize to just everyone for confusion. All right. A lot of Jenny's. Jenny, you called Maryland a lot of losers. You called the Ravens losers. I stand by that. Speaking of losers, Detroit. I know, but you never really said football. You never said the team name. It really sounded like you were just talking about the nice people of Detroit. Nice people of Maryland. [00:28:59] Speaker B: No, just the teams or losers. [00:29:00] Speaker C: And somehow there isn't a single timpod on this list. [00:29:03] Speaker A: No, I've been on my best behavior today. [00:29:05] Speaker C: Best behavior? [00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Even though you're salty? [00:29:08] Speaker A: I am. [00:29:09] Speaker B: About the Seahawks and the 49 ers. [00:29:11] Speaker A: I'm not so much salty about the Seahawks. I was surprised we were even trying to get for a playoff win, but I just do not like the two teams that are in it. [00:29:18] Speaker B: I'm sorry. [00:29:19] Speaker C: All right, so before we sign off predictions, Tim, who you got? [00:29:22] Speaker A: Sandstorm. [00:29:23] Speaker C: I told you sandstorm. [00:29:24] Speaker A: But I'm going to take Chiefs 23 to 2023. [00:29:29] Speaker C: 20 Chiefs. Hard to bet against Mahomes. Who you got? [00:29:32] Speaker B: Oh, I'm obviously with the Mahomes, so I don't know. I have to pick by how many. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Points if you pick. [00:29:37] Speaker C: Yes. Now that you're both picking the cheese, because then we're going to see who's closer. [00:29:40] Speaker B: Okay, well, I'm feeling 22. 22. [00:29:45] Speaker C: What? You think they're going to win by 22? [00:29:47] Speaker A: Taylor Swift's Taylor Swift. [00:29:49] Speaker C: No, I know, but, like. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's her. Get, like, the. [00:29:51] Speaker C: Yeah, the chief spread. I'm not sure. [00:29:52] Speaker B: 22. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, if the chief. [00:29:54] Speaker B: I think I got it. [00:29:56] Speaker A: Go ahead and give me that point spreads. [00:29:58] Speaker C: Probably a little more accurate. All right, Jenny, take us home. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Wait, did you do your prediction? [00:30:04] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I'm going to go San Francisco by a million. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:30:09] Speaker C: A million? [00:30:10] Speaker B: A million. So you think 22 is obnoxious? [00:30:13] Speaker A: We have to talk about your employment and your annual review. [00:30:21] Speaker C: Like every. Every other. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Just to let everybody in the listening universe know, if JB is not here next week, we now understand why we. [00:30:28] Speaker B: Can all say, I think I can say for this table, we all wanted the lions in the Super bowl and to win. Correct? [00:30:33] Speaker A: 110. [00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, yes. [00:30:36] Speaker C: I couldn't believe how disappointed I was. I knew I wanted them to win. [00:30:40] Speaker A: I was absolutely crushed. [00:30:42] Speaker C: It's just like, you start to envision. [00:30:44] Speaker B: It and you're like, cool. [00:30:44] Speaker C: Like Eminem. It's going to be great. Then just like, it's slowly just like, what's happening? [00:30:49] Speaker B: What's happening? [00:30:49] Speaker C: What's happening? [00:30:50] Speaker B: It was almost as bad as the Atlanta New England Super Bowl. [00:30:54] Speaker C: I remember that differently. [00:30:56] Speaker B: No, that's true. [00:30:57] Speaker A: No, I don't think anything could be just true. [00:31:02] Speaker C: That's a top five day of my life. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Shout out to my boy, Burt Brown, who I know is listening. 28 to three, brother. I love you, dude. [00:31:09] Speaker C: I was getting a lot of text from my Atlanta friends during the first half of that game. The second half, I didn't get as many. [00:31:15] Speaker B: I know. Isn't that weird? Why strange? [00:31:18] Speaker A: Do you all remember the next year when the halftime show that they were playing in New Orleans, it was Falcons versus the New Orleans Saints. And the Saints had a high school marching band come out and they spelled out 28 to three on the field. [00:31:32] Speaker C: I didn't know that. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Dude, you got to look it up. It was absolutely epic.